Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Feedback on my feedback


This is quite a frustrating experience to pick apart your every procedure. I feel a little Jekyll and Hyde bouncing back between feeling like I’ve got it figured out and completely flummoxed because I am not doing it/seeing it like everyone else.  The following is an overly long justification of what kind of crazy antics I’ve been up to in the math room.

FEEDBACK

I would rate my feedback as a good quality, but I think the impact level is poor. Where I struggle is making sure they react to it. Do they read it? Do they try and fix their habits? The only way that I can make sure is to talk with them one-on-one and that is hard to do everyday. The other thing I do to ensure that they read my feedback is give notes quizzes (questions from their notes, old quizzes and homework). It is their opportunity to correct those mistakes. And somehow, when problem #32 shows up again in the form of a quiz, they will ask me what I mean by a comment on a paper. When I leave them to their own devices, the kids who really need my feedback blow it off too often.

I would my timeliness on feedback for quizzes/test as excellent, as I hand those back the next day. I would rate my timeliness on feedback for homework as average. I try to return homework the next day, but I check about 100 papers a day, so that doesn’t happen every time. Checking papers is the life-sucking force of my existence and I could write a pretty graphic description of how much I hate it, but as soon as I quit reviewing it, my kids slack off. When I taught Trig/Stats/Computer Programming, I never had that issue. Kids know they have to do the practice work to prepare. I would say about 70% of my algebra II kids get that, as well, but I correct for the 30% that won’t do a darn thing unless I hold them accountable. 

ZERO’s

We are bound by grading periods and eligibility checks, so I think we have to be able to give a reading of our student’s current outcomes at any given time. If they haven’t done the assignment, no points can be awarded. That being said, I work really hard to not give them that option. The week of chapter tests I begin to offer invitations (prettier sounding than nagging) for students to finish their missing work. Most cases, the kids get it done and I only have to go barracuda on a few. I have a few kids sneak zeros by me at the end of the nine weeks and I had three perpetual non-workers who didn’t finish, but I got as many as I could. With a student who will only work under direct supervision, it is almost impossible to get homework completed.  And once again, by homework I mean the day to day work we do. Sometimes it is in class and sometimes it is homework. I have some kids who refuse to work even in class unless I sit on their lap (and administration tends to frown on that, hehehehehehe).

REDO’s

On the point of REDO’s, and life always offers a chance for REDO’s. Yes, but with consequence. If I did not pay my bill, there is a late charge. If I messed up the sheetrock job at my carpentry job, yes, of course I would fix it for the client. But myself/boss has to pay for that expense. So what about the guy who doesn’t pay his bill on time, is he dropped as a client? Only if he continues to have this problem. What about the contractor who has to redo the wall? If he makes good on the correction and doesn’t keep messing up the rest of the job, he keeps his position. Why is it wrong to operate that way in a classroom? I believe we should always ask our students for their best effort first, and only have to REDO in extenuating situations, not as normal practice.  I don’t think that I am personally attacking the student by admitting to the gradebook that they have done zero points of the work. Just as I am not personally attacking a student when I tell them they got 70% on their test, 70% of the problems correct and 30% wrong. I am not saying that they will never get that 30%. What I am saying is that right now, in this moment, after we have spent the time getting you prepared for this test with homework, notes, discussion and examples, you can only do 70% of the problems correctly. And since math skill sets never go away, the skill of factoring in chapter 4 comes back in chapter 5, 6, 7 and 9, so they are automatically in a revolving circle of assessment of old topics.

Another reason that I do not think zeros and redo’s are an issue in my grading is because I use a weighted scale. So if homework is 30% of the grade and I took 30 assignments, and you got a zero on one of them, it is not the end of your grade. Honestly, most single homework assignments do not alter the grade one bit. The only homework grades with large point scores are reviews with lots of material. And if it is a review, they should be prepared to do well on it. But, where it bites you is if you make it a continuing problem and you are unprepared quiz/test time. For example, I have an algebra II student who already has a late…student is habitual with this. So we took the quiz and student did quite well, EXCEPT FOR THE PROBLEMS FROM THE PAGE THAT STUDENT DIDN’T DO! The homework in math is the necessary practice to prepare for tests. I do not give zeros on quizzes and tests since they are end of material measurements and everyone has to do that in my room under my supervision. I consider the tests to be the most important description of the student’s present level of knowledge.  So if I put a zero in the gradebook for the time being while I nag them about that little bitty assignment, I figure it is fair.

ONLY AWARD GRADE AT END

On this point, are you comfortable with that both ways? It was stated that it is fair to award the student with an A if that is their last outcome on work. Now, I’m going to assume you mean this score is a test score and I’m going to assume that the 10 grades listed were all on the same skill. Are you also saying that the kid who worked all nine weeks with relative success, mostly A’s should get the C if that is what their last assessment was? The only way that this makes sense is if you are you completely sure you have created the perfect final assessment tool to measure all of that. And if you are completely sure the student gave their truest performance on that single item. I don’t think I have ever been sure on either of those points. I find it scary to think that 1 assessment is ever used as a final outcome. And yes, I am fully aware of statistics and misuse of averages, but I thought this was really off base. This misuse of averages is really the reason that I use weighted grading. I think tests are most important; they are end of unit checks that we have spent weeks preparing for, so they have the most significant portion of my grade. For a final semester outcome, I currently use 40% for Q1, 40% for Q2 an20% for semester test. My students generally score about a half a letter grade better on final tests. Mostly because the final has all the most important content points, while a chapter test contains more details for each content area. Also, by the end of the semester, we have done these skills over and over, so the ones who didn’t it in Chapter 2 have had time to grow into by the Chapter 1 to 5 final test.

STATE ASSESSMENTS

In the case of state assessments and grades, if they truly measure the same thing, they should be similar. Out of curiosity, I pulled up my algebra II kids scores from last spring and compared them to the semester grade. The alignment was very clear on low end and high end. Less than 65th percentiles generally were D’s, while above 85th percentiles were A’s. The middle kids bounced the B/C line sometimes against percentile and there were a couple kids who looked to have off days, but most of the data fit. I can also say from experience that I have students who can do well on a multiple choice test, but could not do nearly so well if it was open ended and they had to completely generate the answers themselves. Some people have an innate understanding of numbers and logic that can get them through a multiple choice math test, yet they can’t perform the skill without that assistance. I agree with those who said these assessments are helpful, but incomplete to describe the abilities of a human being. 

 

In conclusion, I feel glad that I am reevaluating my position on homework/grading. It is reminding me to keep explaining it to my students, so that they know why and how it works. I do sort of feel like I am bucking some of the author’s suggestions, but mostly because some of the ideas would appear to fit better in a grade school classroom or within a classroom setting dissimilar to math. Please tell me we don’t have to do a one size fits all job here, because I think that would really do an injustice to our students. I think we all need to be up front about our practices, willing to revise, but true to what works best for our area.